18:02:35 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : Good evening colleagues. Jonas Geissler, Senior Trial Attorney with the U.S. Dept. of Justice Civil Rights Division monitoring for the U.S. v. City of Portland case. Thanks. 18:05:54 From PCCEP Portland : Ashley will be joining shortly! 18:05:58 From dan handelman he/him : Dan Handelman, he/him, Portland Copwatch (I will be leaving at about 6:25 to head to the Training AdvisorY Council) 18:06:21 From Amy Senier, DOJ : Amy Senier, Attorney, U.S. DOJ Civil Rights Division 18:06:27 From Barbara Bochinski : Barbara Bochinski Portland Copwatch 18:06:33 From Yume Delegato (he/him) : Yume Delegato, Vice Chair, Citizen Review Committee 18:07:02 From jasmin - KBOO - any/all : jasmin, any/all, KBOO Community Radio 18:08:14 From barb. : barb. rainish she/her community member, member PPB BHU advisory council 18:08:28 From Corinne Frechette : Corinne Frechette-PBAC and PEAC member. Thank you for your work! 18:09:08 From Dennis Rosenbaum (He/Him) COCL : Hi, 18:09:39 From Dennis Rosenbaum (He/Him) COCL : Hi, Dennis Rosenbaum, He/Him pronouns, Compliance Officer, COCL 18:10:06 From mbuckley : Mary Claire Buckley, Inspector General PPB 18:11:43 From Nirel : Nirel, PBAC, Chair. 18:17:09 From dan handelman he/him : Not sure what is meant by “in favor of PPB except two times”— the PPA won a number of times, see this informational flyer: https://www.portlandcopwatch.org/arbitration_facts0620.pdf 18:17:44 From dan handelman he/him : So they overruled the PPB at least five times. 18:17:48 From dan handelman he/him : since 2003. 18:17:58 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Thank you Dan. 18:20:12 From PCCEP Portland : Meaning, the PPA is successful in ~80% of the cases they take to arbitration 18:20:21 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Hi everyone. Ashley Schofield, PCCEP member. I was running late to have some after school activities dinner time with the family. It’s good to see everyone. 18:25:09 From Barbara Bochinski : Why was this method changed? 18:26:14 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Replying to "Why was this method ..." If it was 2020, I'm wondering if George Floyd? 18:30:31 From Pat (he/him) PPT : Seems that in this case, the arbiter has said that an officer who who engages in misconduct and retaliation is a good cop. Not my definition of a good cop. And, that’s a pretty strong message to other officers. 18:32:15 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : I remember when we had the education around when an officer commits a crime, then it goes to different levels. 18:32:16 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Agree Pat 👏🏼 18:32:44 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Reacted to "Seems that in this c..." with 👍🏼 18:32:49 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Reacted to "Seems that in this c..." with 👍🏼 18:38:43 From jasmin - KBOO - any/all : Is this the same arbitrator who reinstated the officers who killed James Chasse? https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2012/07/arbitrator_reverses_discipline.html 18:38:44 From Nirel : I would like to see that report, yes please. Thank you 18:38:53 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Was he on the job as a PPB office when he switched hats? 18:39:32 From PCCEP Portland : https://portlandor.govqa.us/WEBAPP/_rs/(S(psdtpo00vzvzigxx5nmefznj))/BusinessDisplay.aspx?sSessionID=&did=64&cat=0 18:39:54 From PCCEP Portland : You can see the brief Heidi mentioned here (request for consideration) 18:40:43 From PCCEP Portland : @jasmin, yes, that is the same arbitrator 18:41:04 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : They are a dangerous employee. 18:41:17 From Pastor Robin Wisner : loss the trust also 18:41:43 From Je (she/they) : If you told the *truth* in a way that made the city look bad you’d be fired, much less telling a lie that made the city look really bad 18:44:22 From Pat (he/him) PPT : I think we should fire the arbitrator as highly unprofessional. His opinion that the officer was a “good cop” is highly immaterial to the case. 18:45:13 From Pastor Robin Wisner : Great question Celeste 18:48:27 From Heidi Brown - City Attorney's Office : Please know that my request for reconsideration was not the brief I was referencing. The brief I referenced was filed earlier and is not on our website. If anyone wants to make a request for my brief, then please go to this site and make a public records request under the “General City Requests” tab. https://portlandor.govqa.us/WEBAPP/_rs/(S(d4teooiiqyboaulkgtgtx3rn))/SupportHome.aspx?lp=2. 18:48:48 From PCCEP Portland : Sorry Heidi! That's my bad. 18:48:53 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : But it's not just one or two people! It's consistent. 18:49:05 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : That part, Leslie. 18:49:19 From Je (she/they) : All the imte 18:49:22 From Je (she/they) : ** time 18:49:56 From Alyson : Reacted to "Seems that in this c..." with 👍🏼 18:51:54 From Gloria Canson : The Oregonian wrote that even after Hunker found that it wasn’t Hardesty , Hunker said, Let’s go with it anyway. 18:52:48 From Gloria Canson : Sorry, Hunzeger 18:53:20 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Reacted to "The Oregonian wrote ..." with 👎🏼 18:53:32 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Replying to "The Oregonian wrote ..." So awful! 18:55:07 From Pat (he/him) PPT : If you own the judge or the sheriff, you don’t have to worry about the law. 18:55:44 From Heidi Brown - City Attorney's Office : Gloria - there wasn’t any evidence we found that showed that Officer Hunzeker found out it wasn’t Cmsr. Hardesty and said, “Let’s go with it anyway.” As soon as PPB found evidence that it wasn’t Cmsr. Hardesty, that information was publicly shared. 18:56:34 From Nirel : Regarding the offense against a woman of color… Yes! Thank you for bringing that uP. 18:57:01 From Barbara Bochinski : We were all harmed in that his action influenced an election. 18:58:16 From Gloria Canson : I will send Maxine’s follow up article to you. 18:58:30 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Reacted to "We were all harmed i..." with 👍🏼 18:58:44 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Reacted to "We were all harmed i..." with 👍🏼 18:59:09 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : that part 18:59:55 From Tina Jones : I have another commitment and have to step away. Thank you again for having me. 18:59:55 From Candace Avalos : Reacted to "We were all harmed i..." with 👍🏼 19:00:55 From Je (she/they) : Reacted to "We were all harmed i..." with 👍🏼 19:01:31 From Je (she/they) : Unfortunately there is a Police bill of rights enshrined in State law 19:04:13 From Pat (he/him) PPT : Thanks. Must go to my next zoom 19:04:44 From PCCEP Portland : Thank you for coming Pat 19:04:45 From PCCEP Portland : ! 19:06:51 From Yume Delegato, CRC (he/him) : Has Ofc Hunzeker been reinstated at this point? DPSST still lists him as separated. 19:07:37 From Pastor Robin Wisner : that was what I was wondering during bargaining agreement thanks chief 19:07:49 From Heidi Brown - City Attorney's Office : He was reinstated, per the arbitrator’s order. 19:08:38 From Celeste Carey to CSD Support Staff - Emily Mann (she/they)(Direct Message) : Thanks! 19:08:44 From Pastor Robin Wisner : how dose it impact the culure 19:22:38 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : It really seems like the PPA doesn't prioritize or value public safety. How is the community supposed to feel safe? 19:24:39 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : I'm just thinking outloud - I worked for the school district for over 20 years & the education union also keeps "bad" teachers.... It often does not make sense. 19:28:51 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : D.E. 275-1, what became section XI of the Settlement, Par. 194: 194. Within 210 days of the date this paragraph is entered as an order of the Court, the City shall implement body-worn cameras (BWCs) pursuant to a policy that is subject to the policy-review-and-approval provisions of this Agreement; provided, however, if the City is making substantial progress this deadline may be extended by agreement of the United States, which shall not be unreasonably withheld. a. The City will comply with any collective bargaining obligations it may have related to BWCs, which the City agrees to fulfill expeditiously and incompliance with its obligation to bargain in good faith. 19:29:08 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Reacted to "D.E. 275-1, what bec..." with 👍🏼 19:29:14 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : b. Within 60 days of the date this paragraph is entered as an order of the Court the Compliance Officer shall gather public input on the use of BWCs and provide this information and any technical assistance to the public and the Parties to inform the drafting of a policy. The United States reserves its policy review rights related to the BWC program under the terms of this Agreement. 19:29:52 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : c. If the City has not finally discharged its collective bargaining obligations as to BWCs within 120 days of the date this paragraph is entered as an order of the Court, the Parties stipulate that the Court may thereafter hold periodic status conferences every 60 days to receive an update on the procedural status of the collective bargaining process related to BWCs. The City will provide a final procedural status update upon the completion of the collective bargaining process. 19:30:20 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : d. The United States reserves its enforcement rights related to the BWC program under the terms of this Agreement. If collective bargaining or any related arbitration or appeal results in a BWC program that the United States determines, in its sole and absolute discretion, will not adequately resolve the compliance concerns identified in the April 2, 2021 notice of noncompliance the Parties agree that the United States can seek court enforcement pursuant to paragraph 183, without having to repeat the steps laid out in paragraphs178 to 182. 19:33:08 From Heidi Brown - City Attorney's Office : Here is a link to the State law regarding interest arbitration to resolve a disagreement over a bargaining issue for police, fire, and 911 union members - https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_243.746 19:34:04 From Ann Campbell : How long has the city and ppa been mediating BWC? 19:35:31 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : PCCEP held a town hall on BWC on 1/23/22 with COCL 19:37:03 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Replying to "PCCEP held a town ha..." And I have very detailed notes from that listening session. Frome & Heidi were speakers then too 19:37:40 From jasmin - KBOO - any/all : The “What are other jurisdictions doing?” question is especially concerning because most of the policies are written by a private company called Lexipol. If you look at the policies in Gresham and Beaverton etc, Lexipol holds the copyright on the policy. Lexipol’s interest is not constitutionality, it is limiting liability for the agencies it works with. 19:37:42 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : Replying to "I'm just thinking ou..." Tia, by and large, unions protect workers and provide them with protections they wouldn't otherwise have. I also think there is a large difference between a bad teacher, or any other union-protected job, and a bad police officer. 19:37:50 From Ann Campbell : Replying to "PCCEP held a town ha..." Thanks Tia 19:39:21 From jasmin - KBOO - any/all : Lexipol’s standard language around officer review permits full review of footage before writing any reports. 19:44:40 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : This is the current policy for the highest level of uses of force and in-custody deaths: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/656780 19:45:28 From Barbara Bochinski : At scene, couldn't they be recorded so they don't collaborate? 19:45:43 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Reacted to "At scene, couldn't t..." with ❤️ 19:45:55 From Candace Avalos : Reacted to "The “What are other ..." with 👀 19:45:56 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : This is the current policy for force reporting for less than the highest level of uses of force: https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/801101 19:49:53 From Je (she/they) : No it will probably go to arbitration and the arbitrators usually side with the police 19:50:53 From Heidi Brown - City Attorney's Office : Please know that for interest arbitration hearings, for the last 25 years, the City has had 4 interest arbitration hearings and the City won 3 of them. 19:51:27 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Reacted to "Please know that for..." with 👍🏼 19:52:14 From Je (she/they) : Please know that for interest arbitration hearings, for the last 25 years, the City has had 4 interest arbitration hearings and the City won 3 of them. Thanks for that information, that’s good to know 19:52:35 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Thank you. It’s my opinion, and that of many others, that PPA is pretty evil and the reason why we can’t have true community engaged policing. 19:52:51 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : Reacted to "Thank you. It’s my o..." with 👍 19:53:04 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : Removed a 👍 reaction from "Thank you. It’s my o..." 19:54:14 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : Replying to "Thank you. It’s my o..." It really does seem they're looking out for the best interest of their members at the expense of the community. 🤷‍♀️ 19:54:45 From PCCEP Portland : Also, PCCEP members can of course continue to make comments during this time 19:56:24 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Thank you, Jasmin! 19:58:40 From Alyson : Who is speaking please? 19:59:03 From Nirel : Jasmin from kboo 19:59:04 From Ann Campbell : Jasmin- KBOO 19:59:09 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Replying to "Who is speaking plea..." Jasmin from KBOO 19:59:32 From Alyson : Thank you, Tia, Nirel, and Ann 19:59:35 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Replying to "Who is speaking plea..." KBOO is media 20:00:01 From jasmin - KBOO - any/all : Not all policies, but a large percentage of them. 20:02:07 From Ann Campbell : Thank you everyone for joining us tonight 20:05:01 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : https://www.opb.org/article/2023/03/08/report-finds-portland-leaders-avoided-competitive-process-truth-and-reconciliation-project/ 20:06:29 From Nirel : Thank you. Good night. 20:07:04 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : https://www.portland.gov/pccep/documents/pccep-truth-and-reconciliation-commission-recommendation-adopted-mayor-ted-wheeler/download 20:07:41 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : I was going to ask about timelines, but we have been requesting BWC since I started in 2021 - it is taking a long time. 20:08:59 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : https://www.portlandoregon.gov/pccep/article/734877 20:09:37 From Ashley Schofield (she/her) : Thanks, everyone! 20:09:49 From Tia Palafox, she/ her, member : Leslie hand up 20:09:51 From Ann Campbell : Thank you Jonas 20:09:54 From Heidi Brown - City Attorney's Office : Thanks for having me! 20:09:56 From Leslie Martinez (she/her) | PCCEP : I want to address Jonas' last comment. While the hope is that an agreement is reached. I want to be clear who is ultimately delaying and denying justice. The community and social justice experts experts have been clear about what they want and what is needed in BWC. PPA is resisting. 20:10:01 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : Thank you everyone for your time and thoughtful discussion tonight. 20:10:05 From Candace Avalos : Thanks to everyone for your diligence 20:10:47 From Ann Campbell : Thank you Leslie 20:10:58 From Jonas Geissler - DOJ : Thank you 20:11:09 From jasmin - KBOO - any/all : Thank you everyone.