17:31:05 Wonderful. So now this meeting, this webinar meeting is uh 17:31:10 being recording, welcome to the Rose City Recreation Trail Project Community Meeting Number 2. 17:31:16 We're here tonight on a webinar function, which is a little bit different than your standard Zoom. Attendees are not going to be able to see each other in the room, but if you are seeing this screen with the 17:31:30 with the slide up, Portland Parks and Recreation with the Rose City Recreation Trail Project slide, you are in the right place. 17:31:40 It looks like a few folks are already figuring out the Q&A box. 17:31:46 Which is down below. 17:31:50 I'm just going to give a few more moments here to allow 17:31:54 some others to join us here tonight. 17:31:59 All right. 17:32:36 All right, folks, so I just answered a few questions that were dropped in the Q&A section, and I appreciate those who popped in there and utilize that. Moving forward, we're going to be focusing on some tech and I just wanted to let you all know. 17:32:50 that there is a question and answer section that's going to be happening a little bit later on in the meeting. So I might not be able to get to your questions that are being dropped into the 17:33:00 the question and the answer section just yet. 17:33:04 But we will open up that section and dive into a little bit more instruction on how to best use that. So welcome to the Rose City Recreation Trail Project Community Meeting. This will be the second community meeting that we've hosted. And we will adjourn the meeting at 730 this evening. It is being recorded in full and that will be posted on the 17:33:28 project webpage. 17:33:31 directly following this meeting. 17:33:33 We are also recording the transcription, and so that will be included in the posting on the webpage as well. So we welcome you all here tonight. 17:33:45 And let's get rolling. 17:33:48 Home slides. 17:33:50 We can advance. 17:33:57 All right, wonderful. 17:34:00 So our meeting agenda this evening is as follows. We'll just have our welcome and we're going to go over some meeting agreements. 17:34:08 We're going to introduce our project team. 17:34:12 We'll present the 17:34:14 Project background and the schedule and talk a little bit about what we've been doing since our last kickoff meeting in the spring. 17:34:22 We'll be showing some trail designs and alternatives that have been developed. 17:34:27 And then we're going to hear from our Portland Parks and Recreation Director of Golf Programs, Vincent Johnson, who's joining us here tonight. 17:34:36 And we're also joined here tonight by the Portland Parks and Recreation Park Rangers that are familiar with this site. 17:34:43 And then we're going to dive into the Q&A portion of the engagement, and we're going to go over some direction on how that is going to flow once we get to that part. 17:34:54 And then we'll talk a little bit about our next steps in the project. And we're going to make sure that we're concluding the meeting tonight at 7.30 p.m. 17:35:03 So next slide, please. 17:35:09 So again, welcome. Tonight we have some meeting agreements to make sure that things are flowing smoothly and that we are making the best use of all of your time. So we're going to hold off on questions and comments for the Q&A portion of the meeting. Of course, you're welcome to drop them in the Q&A box. We're seeing them as they come in, but we might not be able to 17:35:33 answer them directly until that reserve portion of the meeting. And we'll talk a little bit more about that process. 17:35:42 We want to make sure that we are all respectful of people's opinions and views. We all have a various spectrum of what our opinions and views are on this project. So we want to make sure that we are speaking from personal experience and perspective, using I statements is the best way to do that. 17:36:03 We want to make sure that everybody has the opportunity to provide input before a person speaks twice. So if you're planning on raising your hand, make sure that you're raising your hand and that other people have the opportunity to raise their hand and voice their own questions as well. 17:36:20 We want to make sure that people recognize that their words have impact. So we're asking folks to refrain from inclusionary and derogatory terms during this meeting, not only when you are 17:36:33 speaking and asking your questions, but also the words that you're using to type in your question and answer section. 17:36:40 And we are having a zero tolerance for any name calling or aggressive behavior, and that is for what's in the chat and on what comes in the microphone. Zero tolerance rules means that we will mute or ask you to leave the meeting and you're welcome to watch the meeting as it's recorded and posted on the website later and you can reach out via email if you'd like to provide input or participate on this 17:37:05 survey, but we do not have tolerance for name calling or aggressive behavior in this meeting here tonight. 17:37:10 We also want to make an important note that the presentation tonight is going to be showing some more visually complex slides. If you have 17:37:19 If you would like any more information on these slides, please reach out to me and I can work with you to make sure that you are fully prepared and understanding what we're trying to present with these more visually complex designs here tonight. 17:37:33 All right, great. We can move forward. 17:37:36 Wonderful. So we're just going to do a quick intro on the project team. Some of you already know us from Portland Parks and Recreation. We have our project manager, Johnny Fain. 17:37:47 Anything you want to say hello? 17:37:49 Hello, everyone. Johnny Fane. I'll be um 17:37:52 walking through some of the 17:37:55 50% design plans for this project. So look forward to speaking with you all. 17:38:02 Great. And then myself, community engagement, Janicethopoulos, she pronouns, my email address is posted on here. It's also posted on the project web page. 17:38:14 We're also joined tonight by our design team. 17:38:19 Ben and Austin, would you like to come off and introduce yourselves to these fine folks? 17:38:24 Hi, I'm Ben Austin, and we have Brent, do you want to introduce yourself? 17:38:27 Hi, Brent Walker. 17:38:30 Wonderful. Thank you both for joining us here tonight. Our design team is here to provide any clarifying or specifics on the designs if any questions should come up that 17:38:42 we need to address, but we welcome them tonight and they've been working very diligently on developing these alternatives and design options. 17:38:50 Wonderful. 17:38:57 Yeah, so with that, I'll jump in and talk a little bit about the project background. I'm going to go through this really quickly because we did 17:39:03 run through this in our first community meeting, which you can go to the project website and view the video of that. But just a little bit about the video and kind of why we're doing this project and how it's funded. So there was a 2019 voter approved Metro Parks and nature bond measure that was vetted and approved by voters that included a local share allocation of about $32 million 17:39:29 for Portland Parks and Recreation to enhance parks and do nature projects 17:39:35 that were in line with the bond guidelines. 17:39:38 And then in 2021, 17:39:41 Parks conducted a robust community engagement campaign to kind of prioritize funding for certain projects. And that was where Rose City, the trail project was identified as a priority to increase access to nature and to diversify activities within the open space so that the broader community could enjoy the open space. 17:40:00 And some of those stipulations and project goals 17:40:04 We're improving access to nature. 17:40:07 increased accessibility, which we'll talk about a little bit later, providing access for environmental education, and then providing access for underserved communities. 17:40:16 And the way that funding came 17:40:19 to this project was about $4 million, $2 million from the Metro Bond Local Share Project. 17:40:27 or bond and then $2 million from our system development charges, which are a small charge attached to developers when they go submit for permitting to develop within the city. 17:40:40 And then a little bit more about the project background and the schedule. 17:40:45 So we're here in the design development 17:40:49 phase or the 50% design phase 17:40:51 We've been through the project startup phase this year and established kind of the scope of work and brought on Ben and Brent 17:40:59 to be our designers. And then we had a first community engagement period 17:41:04 We took that feedback and listened to the community and technical advisors within parks 17:41:10 And we incorporated that into schematic designs 17:41:13 And then from the schematic designs, we further took and kind of honed into our design development phase. 17:41:21 um and 17:41:22 I think Jenna is going to talk a little bit more about the community engagement process that we've engaged in so far. 17:41:30 Yeah, thanks, Jenny. So the community engagement for Portland Parks and Recreation runs across a spectrum from informing folks to collaborating with folks. When we're informing folks, it's typically around something that we're not really seeking community input on, but we're letting people know what is going to be happening, like if a tree falls down, we're going to inform the community when that 17:41:55 is going to be removed and how it's going to be removed. 17:41:58 Collaborate is more so along power sharing where community members have all the decision-making power. For this project, the engagement level has been identified as inform, involve. And so it's a blend of letting folks know where decisions need to be made and then also involving folks on where community input is going to be influencing the final design decision. 17:42:23 And this was partially determined by the funding requirements that are available, by the fact that the trail is circumnavigating a golf course and there's golf course operations that we have to be very careful of. It's also going to be impacted by environmental considerations, not only the 17:42:41 flora and fauna of the area, but also the slope and the grade and just the more technical considerations of the property itself. 17:42:49 So there are some design decisions that our design experts do have to make 17:42:54 that are aligned with those requirements. 17:42:58 This community engagement process has incorporated a few online meetings such as this where we're presenting schematic designs and we're outlining where we're seeking community input, and then we're opening up community surveys where people can provide input on what their priorities are, what their preferences are, and what alternatives 17:43:28 make sense for their goals in the project. 17:43:28 These are all taken into consideration and reviewed with the project management team, internal decision makers, and our design team. And we work to incorporate and blend all of these broad perspectives and priorities 17:43:43 to come up with a plan that meets the greatest good or compromise based off of what we're hearing from the diverse communities. 17:43:48 that we have in the area. 17:43:52 This project specifically is seeking to center community members that have been historically marginalized and left behind in projects. And then it also has a large accessibility contingent. And so we are focusing on what we're hearing from those segments of community members. 17:44:19 And so… 17:44:19 That is where we've been with community engagement. We hosted a kickoff meeting in the spring. We opened up a community survey. We heard a lot of great responses on that survey. We did some small tabling events at free summer events at local schools with small stakeholder groups. And we just wanted to build project awareness, get people 17:44:40 signed up for the newsletter list so they can come back and join the second community meeting and also provide more input on the next community. 17:44:48 survey. The community surveys that are open allow us to aggregate all the information in one place. It allows us to have and ask the same type of questions to everybody and get the same type of input. 17:45:03 Yeah, so that's kind of where we've been with community engagement. It's been a pretty broad engagement on what we've been hearing and identifying a lot of different stakeholder groups. Also at the inform and involved level of community engagement, our city of Portland public involvement Handbook provides us some different engagement tactics that are available for us to use. And one of those tactics was a focus group, which is just a 17:45:29 casual meeting of stakeholders, which represent 17:45:33 centered community groups and we invite them to come and have a conversation with a project manager. And that type of conversation allows us to have a more meaningful conversation than is typical in a large scale meeting or in an online webinar such as this. 17:45:55 So that's where we've been in community engagement thus far. 17:45:56 That's great. Thanks so much, Jenna. 17:46:00 Mm-hmm. 17:46:00 So just a little bit more about what we've heard throughout that community engagement process. These are kind of 17:46:06 I tried to aggregate kind of the overall sentiments and a lot of the similar concerns and issues and priorities that we've heard from the community. 17:46:17 And so I'm going to run through some of those real quick and then talk about how we kind of incorporated those into this phase of the design process. So we've heard a lot about exercise, prioritizing exercise, access to nature and safety and commuting to school as folks top priorities in the area. 17:46:45 We've heard a good bit about protecting and enhancing existing wildlife. 17:46:57 In key areas. We've heard about 17:47:03 creating consistent trail servicing. So trying not to mix the trail surfacing too much to provide a better user experience. 17:47:19 We've heard from some folks that natural surfacing is not ideal for users with mobility challenges. It just provides 17:47:19 Some challenges with noise or getting up slopes when it's not a firm, a completely firm or stable surface. 17:47:19 We've also heard that wood chips as a surface, while some folks do love that as a soft 17:47:19 trail that it's difficult to maintain. It often gets muddy and wet in the winter. And we've heard from some golf course staff that it's messy to maintain and it gets kind of aggregated or migrated all over the golf course. We've also heard from our technical advisory committee from our parks maintenance staff that 17:47:38 they need and require about 10 feet of asphalt trail for maintenance access. So if there is a tree that falls down or if they need to get to a trash can to empty it, that they need about a 10 foot wide path at the very least. 17:47:53 We've heard a lot about separating slow and fast trail users for safety. 17:47:58 And that could be either walkers and runners or walkers and cyclists or walkers and people in mobility devices that just that presents some challenges when there's people close next to each other going at different speeds. So that's a priority for us to create safety in those areas. 17:48:16 And then creating, we've heard some feedback about ADA routes 17:48:20 And keeping those out in the open and observable where if folks need assistance that people can see them and they can wave down folks. 17:48:28 We've heard about creating welcoming atmosphere for all the community members around the golf course. And really, that's a priority in general of just opening up the space to all users. 17:48:40 And then we've heard a lot about the Blue Trail on the east side that it presents potential conflicts and some design challenges, which we'll get into later. 17:48:48 And then we've heard about 17:48:51 seating and gathering locations and keeping those out in the open and not necessarily putting those in the corners of the park or golf course or behind trees where folks can kind of linger or hang out, but keeping those open and visible 17:49:02 And then we've heard from the golf staff and from community members that this trail does present a lot of opportunities 17:49:08 to align with golf's programs current and in the future. And it does kind of align with current 17:49:16 efforts to activate the clubhouse area and get more folks in there to enjoy that space. 17:49:22 And then we've heard about opening up opportunities for creating interesting cycling routes. That's something we'll talk about later. 17:49:31 But it is an open space, so we are looking into that avenue, but we are not 17:49:36 Currently in any 17:49:38 have not made any decisions about that just yet, but we'll talk about that here in a bit. 17:49:43 So let's get into the design. Here is a slide showing the overall design. 17:49:49 We've split the trail into four sections. 17:49:52 And we're going to kind of break those down as we walk through the design. 17:49:57 And the plans. 17:49:59 Just keep in mind when we're looking and walking through these that these are 50% designs. These are still 17:50:05 fairly conceptual, but the alignments of them are fairly dialed in. 17:50:11 And we'll show some more details as we walk through. But we've split the trail into those four sections of the red primary trail. 17:50:19 the green bluff trail 17:50:22 The yellow 72nd connector trail and then the blue back nine or nature trail as we're calling it. 17:50:30 The red trail we're considering kind of the primary route because we do consider that the primary connector 17:50:37 east to west from within Rose City Park all the way over to Northeast Thompson Street. 17:50:43 where McDaniel High School sidewalk kind of currently dead ends. 17:50:49 the green trail 17:50:50 we're considering that to increase access to nature 17:50:54 And we think that would solve that 17:50:57 goal of increasing access to nature and enhancing current trails 17:51:03 and enhancing the access that people have to get into the trees and away from busy streets. 17:51:07 And then the yellow trail, we're considering that as another connector trail that would improve that north-south connector from all the way from Tillamook up to Northeast Sacramento. 17:51:20 And we have talked to PBOT a good bit about that safe route to school. We have heard a lot from community members about that being a primary connector up to Roseway Heights Middle School. And we are definitely investigating how we can improve that as a safe route for kids to get up to school. 17:51:36 As well as the red route for folks to get over to walking over to McDaniel High School. 17:51:42 And then the blue back nine trail 17:51:44 That obviously Tro does not currently exist so that would be 17:51:50 Part of that goal that Metro laid out of increasing access to nature and getting folks away from busy streets so they can have that calming experience. 17:51:59 So that's the overall trail. 17:52:04 overview. 17:52:06 the trail around the the trail 17:52:08 Green Trail, the yellow trail, and the red trail around the western side or the front nine side of the golf course would be about 1.4 miles. The trail around the back nine connecting the red, yellow, and blue would be about 0.9 miles. So all in total, it's 17:52:25 about a two mile trail, which is a really nice section of trail 17:52:32 The next slide is the plan showing sort of the front nine 17:52:37 trail in more detail, kind of zoomed more in 17:52:40 So this is sort of our preferred concept on the previous design sets, we showed alternatives. And so we sort of took those alternatives and gathered the feedback from 17:52:54 the community and our technical advisory committees, the park staff and golf course staff. 17:52:59 And as well as our focus groups and community surveys and kind of created our preliminary 17:53:06 preferred concept. And that concept is a 10 foot wide asphalt trail 17:53:13 running from Northeast 62nd, it would connect to the currently existing trail at the park 17:53:20 park playground and run 17:53:23 along the ridge where there's currently a desire path 17:53:26 pasteurized school 17:53:28 And then come down into the grove of trees and spur off to a new, a potentially new ADA ramp and crosswalk. 17:53:35 to get folks over across Tillamook and then continue on onto the golf course. So we've heard a lot of questions about where exactly that trail would be. This would be inside the fence line, the current fence line on the golf course and on the golf course property. We've worked with our urban forestry team to kind of develop where exactly the trail can go 17:53:58 As far as tree protection root zones. And so that's kind of why the trail is aligned where it is aligned. 17:54:03 We've tried to keep it as far away from golf activities as possible. 17:54:09 While getting folks away from the street and under those that nice row of trees, nice row of maples there on the southern side of hole number one. 17:54:18 you can kind of see the trail section cuts here. Here's section number one 17:54:24 Showing the 10 foot wide asphalt trail and we would provide those gravel shoulders. So for folks who don't 17:54:31 Who prefer not to run or walk or roll 17:54:35 on a paved path, but would prefer to use a soft surface. So that soft surface would be available on the shoulders for folks to run and walk and roll as they preferred. 17:54:47 The trail continues up and you can see here that we have potential path and stair ADA upgrades. So we are looking into making those upgrades. Whether or not we can incorporate that into this project just as far as budget, that's going to be a big chunk of the budget. So we are investigating if we can find additional funding 17:55:08 And potentially use funding from our ADA program to 17:55:13 fix the existing staircase. We do understand that there 17:55:16 Currently not ideal. And we understand that and we're investigating options for how to fund that as a part of this project. 17:55:26 That currently is just still an ongoing investigation. 17:55:29 But if that ADA upgrade does happen, this trail would also be 17:55:35 six to eight foot wide path running up through the 17:55:40 through the um 17:55:41 north side of Rose City Park. 17:55:42 And connecting to those existing stairs. 17:55:47 And then the trail also runs east 17:55:52 a long hole number one and then 17:55:54 Currently, we don't have any designs showing 17:55:56 parking lot because we were still under investigation of 17:56:01 whether or not we can upgrade the parking lot with this current 17:56:05 project funding. 17:56:10 Let's go back to this slide. You can see this little icon here in the grove of Doug Firs. 17:56:14 In the corner of Rose City Park. 17:56:17 And the next slide is going to show kind of a blow up of what that might look like. 17:56:26 So this slide is showing the 10 foot wide asphalt path running through the grove of trees and then a couple of spurs coming off one, which would be an ADA connection to the Rice School parking lot, and then one that would be a spur coming down to northeast Tillamook 17:56:42 And connecting to a potentially new ADA crosswalk 17:56:46 We've had a lot of conversations with PBOT and we are doing our best to work with PBOT. 17:56:50 on creating several new ADA locations. 17:56:54 And this would be one of those new ADA crossings to get folks safely across Northeast Tillamook. 17:57:01 the gathering area um 17:57:02 This shape is not determined, but this is just sort of a conceptual idea of what the gathering area and kiosk could look like. 17:57:11 could be a covered kiosk that could have maps, community information, information about the trail, about wayfinding, about where the ADA routes go, where they don't go, about trail surfacing. And it could just be a kind of community resource to post 17:57:25 information about what's going on in the community. 17:57:29 The reason that we have two little sections of this gathering area 17:57:33 is that we've heard from our natural area and 17:57:37 natural educational awareness folks that they like to have two gathering areas with two seating areas. So when they have outdoor education classes, they can kind of have two separate spaces 17:57:49 For folks to gather within hearing distance of each other so that they can have separate conversations but still communicate with each other. 17:57:59 Let's go to the next slide. The next slide is just showing a section i think it's the 17:58:05 section view the section cut here looking east 17:58:08 So this could be what the kiosk area could look like. Could have some natural seating and boulders. They kind of delineate the area. Could have a covered kiosk to keep folks out of the rain, maybe some or some formal seating. 17:58:21 Like a bench. So as folks pass by, they could stop and gather 17:58:30 The next slide is showing the kind of blow up of the back nine trail. This would be somewhat of a continuation of the 17:58:38 Westside Trail, this is still the primary trail just on the east side of the golf course starting at number 10 on the east side of 17:58:46 Northeast 72nd. So here's number 10 tee box. And so starting out 17:58:52 This would also be, as you can see from this section, a 10 foot wide asphalt trail with two foot gravel shoulders. So you could have those both surface options. 17:59:02 There could be some seating right along in that open space. 17:59:06 And perhaps some outdoor fitness equipment. We're not proposing an outdoor fitness area like a playground with 17:59:12 with surfacing on the ground, we're just proposing some simple workout equipment like pull-up bars, chin up bars, push up bars for folks while they're exercising to kind of get a better exercise or more full exercise experience. 17:59:26 We had that. 17:59:28 outdoor fitness area on this eastern portion of the course. But what we heard from community members and from the focus groups was that folks really wanted us to keep those types of amenities out in the open where people could be seen and so people couldn't loiter in areas that were less visible just for safety reasons. 17:59:46 So we spoke with the golf course staff and some of the focus group members to sort of determine that 17:59:52 They thought this might be a better area 17:59:55 For those types of activities, just because it's right by the street. Folks can see it. It's nice and open. 18:00:00 And it doesn't encourage people to just kind of hang around and stay. 18:00:05 um sort of 18:00:06 As we move east along the trail past number 10 green 18:00:11 We move up, the trail is going to have to narrow. He's spoken to urban forestry and walked the site several times with our urban forestry department. And we really want to prioritize the health of the existing trees on the site. So we're going to have to narrow the trail in some situations just to stay out of their root zones so the trail would have to narrow along the fence line here. 18:00:35 Behind 10 and 11. 18:00:37 As the trail curves around. 18:00:39 It comes over to Northeast Thompson Street. 18:00:43 there would be an additional 18:00:45 access point and perhaps even adding 18:00:50 public sidewalk. 18:00:51 We're working with PBOT. Let me zoom in here. 18:00:53 So we're working with PBOT. 18:00:56 to see if we can potentially bump out 18:01:00 the trail into the right of way because of 18:01:03 there's currently a large stand of mature Doug fir trees that are right on the edge of the property line. 18:01:09 So we've spoken with our forestry department and they really don't think we can squeeze a trail in there in really any form. 18:01:15 So we're working with PBOT to see how we can make that connection 18:01:19 At Northeast Thompson of the existing sidewalk there. 18:01:22 So we're thinking that the trail could swing out and then connect to a new ADA ramp here in the corner of Northeast Thompson. And then this would be sidewalk infill that would connect to the existing sidewalk. 18:01:35 We are in the process of discussing how we can work that out with PBOT. 18:01:42 Yeah, and then you would be able to 18:01:44 that would create that um 18:01:47 full connection from Northeast 62nd on the west side of 18:01:51 Rose City Park all the way through the space to Northeast Thompson. So that's pretty high priority just given the goals that Metro has laid out of improving connectivity 18:02:01 Throughout the entire space. 18:02:04 We've also spoken to 18:02:06 PBOT's Safe Routes to school manager 18:02:09 And this section of the 18:02:12 sidewalk and section of the street is on their list of priorities for safe routes to school. So they are working with us to perhaps prioritize this section of sidewalk. 18:02:36 Great. 18:02:26 And Johnny, I'm just going to let everybody know that I am dropping in the interactive map from the safe routes to school where folks can see more information about current locations. 18:02:49 Sure. 18:02:39 for safe routes to school that have been identified as needing improvements, but it does not mean that those areas have current funding for those improvements. So we're always looking for ways to support one another to meet 18:02:58 Yeah, I would encourage everybody to visit that safe for us to school site. It's pretty informative. 18:03:04 So moving on, we're going to move to the green bluff trail 18:03:10 And this is kind of a blow up. We're back on the eastern side of Rose City of the golf course. 18:03:15 So here's the front nine of the golf course here. Sorry, let me go back. 18:03:21 Front nine of the golf course here. 18:03:24 Here's the parking lot. 18:03:25 Here's Rose City Park and Rice School. 18:03:29 the playground is here. 18:03:33 And existing staircases here. So we're talking about the sort of existing bluff trail that the bluff restoration group has done so much amazing work on. 18:03:41 So one of our goals for this project 18:03:45 obviously was to increase access to nature and to enhance existing trails. 18:03:50 So we really, throughout the project, have not wanted to 18:03:54 take this trail away from the community because we know it's such a amazing resource. 18:04:00 And folks have done such an amazing job of coming together and creating something that everyone in the community loves. And we do not want to detract from that in any way. Our goal is to enhance this 18:04:11 section of the trail 18:04:14 as best we can and while taking into considerations exactly what the community and the Bluff Restoration group would like us to improve on. 18:04:23 So we're planning on not making wholesale changes to this section of the trail, like repaving it or changing the character or nature of it. 18:04:31 But we have spoken, been in really close communication with the Bluff Restoration Group, and we've walked the site with them several times. 18:04:39 to kind of glean exactly where the improvements they would like to see are and what the sort of issues with the trail currently are. 18:04:48 A lot of those issues revolve around wintertime use and that the trail doesn't, you know, it has a lot of low spots and it doesn't drain properly in the winter. So it gets muddy. 18:04:58 I know that people still do use it in the winter, but we feel like it's not as accessible during the winter. 18:05:03 So our hope is to repair some of those low spots and add drainage. 18:05:10 add drainage improvements to those low spots. You can see the two areas that we've identified. There's one main long area here and then several low spots in the middle. 18:05:22 We also want to enhance the junction areas where we know a lot of people come together. There's currently two trails that kind of come together in this location. So we're trying to enhance that junction to maybe widen it. You can see up here on the 18:05:37 trail this sort of plan view blow up 18:05:39 stabilizing the hillside with some boulders or natural 18:05:44 stone wall, adding some split rail fencing for stability and for folks to kind of guide folks through the space 18:05:51 And then perhaps widening that junction so more folks can pass easily. 18:05:56 As they move through there. 18:05:58 Another improvement would be little bump outs. 18:06:02 along the trail, we obviously do not want to disturb any of the existing 18:06:09 native plants that have been planted there. So we feel like creating bump outs in spaces where that's possible would be a nice space 18:06:17 for folks to pass each other who are working or moving at different speeds, whether that's rollers or joggers or walkers or people using mobility devices. 18:06:27 that that would be a space where they can step aside if someone's coming out behind them and let folks pass in a safe manner. 18:06:34 Those bump outs could also include seating, which could be natural seating like stones or 18:06:39 folders or logs 18:06:42 Or in some cases, they might just be open spaces for folks to kind of gather and stand aside, well. 18:06:48 faster users walk by. 18:06:50 We've also kind of identified 18:06:52 a space on the edge of the fairway 18:06:55 as a potential for native landscape buffer. So that's kind of a 18:07:00 key or primary spot where golf balls tend to land. 18:07:04 And so we feel like a natural buffer would be a good solution for that. 18:07:10 Another section as we move to the from east to west and get over to the corner 18:07:16 This is kind of the 18:07:18 Currently the um 18:07:21 informal driving range that folks use to practice 18:07:26 At Rose City Golf Course. And so we understand that we kind of have noticed and done site walks to see where the balls land. So we're really hoping and trying our best to keep the trail out of those locations. There currently is sort of a side path that folks cut through and use. And so we're looking to formalize that 18:07:48 with some type of 18:07:49 gravel trail more than likely, probably six feet wide that kind of cuts through and 18:07:55 eases some of those grades and makes it easier for folks to get down the hill and connect back over to 72nd. 18:08:03 We're also investigating, but nothing has been settled. 18:08:05 about off-road cycling. We do feel this would be 18:08:11 uh a um 18:08:12 If we're going to do it, this would be a good space to do it in, but that has not been settled and we're still under investigations on that. 18:08:21 We've also 18:08:23 Got a section here, a section cut about what's going on on 72nd. 18:08:28 We understand that currently, and we have heard that some folks don't feel 18:08:33 very safe as they cross 18:08:37 Most folks walk 18:08:39 the bluff trail 18:08:41 And either cut through here to get down to 72nd or walk around. And then there's sort of a natural crossing at the base of the hill. 18:08:48 to get over to the primary shoulder on the eastern side of 72nd. So we're investigating ways that we can make that safer for people 18:08:59 And help cars slow down as they come down the hill. 18:09:03 And the next slide. 18:09:06 Oh, that's what this section here is showing is how we could delineate those spaces. Currently, the 18:09:16 the eastern lane of 72nd Drive is pedestrian only and we have been in talks with PBOT. We understand that there's no signage and there's no current delineation, so folks aren't feeling super safe on that area of the road. 18:09:30 We have heard from PBOT that they are going to add some type of lane 18:09:36 barrier to divide those two spaces for safety in the future. They haven't said exactly when that's going to happen. 18:09:42 But they have said that is in the works. 18:09:46 And then that we are hoping with this project to enhance that gravel edge on the eastern section 18:09:52 to widen that and perhaps provide some delineation of uses so that folks kind of 18:09:59 know where to be or guided where to be. 18:10:02 through signage could be natural as in boulders or logs, could be a split rail fence type of situation as well to kind of delineate those uses. 18:10:14 So we are showing here at the northern side of 72nd 18:10:21 the slopes that run up to north 18:10:24 the sacramento drive 18:10:26 We understand that a lot of folks walk up that slope and currently it's very sloped it's 18:10:32 25 to 30%, which is really steep. 18:10:35 So our next slide is showing a plan view 18:10:38 of some kind of preliminary designs of how we could attempt to get folks up that hill in a safer way. 18:10:44 So these trails would all be gravel 18:10:47 soft surface. These trails would not be ADA compliant, but they would be much, much, much easier to get up. Currently, the grade is anywhere from, as I said, 25 to 32%. And we would attempt to make those grades 9% going up to 12%. 18:11:04 And the reason that we designed this layout the way we did 18:11:07 was to provide alternates for folks so 18:11:11 some of the routes as in this S curvy route would be a little bit steeper. So folks that are moving at faster speeds could take that route. Folks that are walking at slower speeds or using the trail at slower speeds 18:11:23 could use a spur trail 18:11:25 And that would kind of delineate how folks get down the trail. 18:11:29 So users could kind of separate according to speed. 18:11:33 We would add split rail fencing on those edges so folks could rest or use that for stability as they get down the slope. 18:11:41 And then there could be opportunity for some bump outs with seating, possibly benches, or it could be natural seating. 18:11:49 Throughout that space, just for so folks could either gather, school kids could gather, or just step aside and let folks pass 18:11:59 So that's the plan on Northeast Sacramento 18:12:05 The next slide is the back nine trail the trail that 18:12:11 is proposed along the 18:12:13 Northeastern bluff 18:12:16 of the golf course. So to orient you 18:12:18 Here's hole 15, the tee box. Here's the green for 14. 18:12:23 the existing pond is here. 18:12:26 And showing the hatch marks, as you can see from the legend, the green hatch marks are the environmental conservation zones. 18:12:32 And that's just to protect those large mature trees and 18:12:36 protect the environment throughout that as it is a great natural resource. 18:12:41 And the environmental protection zone is in brown, and that just is a zone to protect the wetland areas on the golf course. 18:12:49 You can see that the trail is currently proposed 18:12:53 In some of those environmental conservation zone areas 18:12:56 We've talked to bds 18:12:59 who wrote these conservation requirements, and they have stated that 18:13:06 if the trail is under 36 inches, 36 inches or below, we do not have to go through a land use review process. But if it's 36 inches or above, we do have to go through a land use process. 18:13:18 Which is just a review to review whether or not the trail as proposed 18:13:25 would be harmful to the environment. 18:13:28 And that's a normal process that every project goes through for permitting so 18:13:34 Let's just keep that aware. As it's currently proposed, it's six feet wide. 18:13:38 But that is still up for debate and we're going to talk about how we're going to determine that a bit later. 18:13:45 So currently we have it sort of hugging the tree line 18:13:48 Along the top of fairway 16. And you can see from this section 18:13:53 that it would be kind of a bench cut trail to make it a flat grade. 18:13:58 into the hillside running along the tree line. And then there's about 18:14:05 60 to 80 to 100 feet down to the fairway 18:14:09 And that would run along 18:14:12 from east to west 18:14:14 And currently, we have provided several alternatives that we're going to ask for your feedback about. We've heard and understand that 18:14:22 This presents a lot of concerns from many people, presents definitely some more design challenges than the other trail does because of the amount of different uses in this area. So we're really considering heavily and weighing 18:14:36 your feedback. So we really do want you to give us your feedback on this. I'm going to show you some other design alternatives 18:14:43 This is the first design alternative that shows the trail going in front of the par 315 tee box 18:14:49 And so we would put signage and make folks aware that, hey, walkers are coming up and there may be golfers. So please communicate or wait if there's a golf golfer teeing off. 18:15:02 And then we have another route. I'll just go straight to that. 18:15:07 Another alternate route 18:15:08 Going behind 15T bucks this t this this 18:15:12 This route does present a lot of challenges because it goes into the existing slope. 18:15:17 the slope gets very steep behind 15 tee box. So this trail routing would probably require a retaining wall of some kind, which obviously adds expense to the project. 18:15:29 And then a third route. 18:15:31 would be what we're calling a spur trail 18:15:35 And that spur trail could 18:15:37 come off of the primary trail near Northeast Thompson and be a loop through the existing Doug First and 18:15:45 up above the pond area. 18:15:47 We know that this is one of the most beautiful spaces on the golf course. And as a part of that, those metro goals defined by voters, we really think that getting folks away from the busy street and onto the back nine of the course 18:16:02 does kind of accomplish that goal of providing greater access to nature. And so this is another alternative that could 18:16:09 create that greater access to nature while staying out of this busy 18:16:14 golf course area. 18:16:16 So those are kind of the three 18:16:18 alternates for design, I'll go back 18:16:21 And kind of talk about some of the other 18:16:24 design concepts on here. The trail would then run up 18:16:29 And this concept by the existing bathrooms so folks could have access to that while using the trail. 18:16:35 This area in the wooded area that we have circled currently is um 18:16:41 a maintenance kind of stockpile where maintenance for the golf course had dumped their spoils, they dump soil and stones and boulders 18:16:49 And it's also just kind of covered in blackberries and invasive species. 18:16:53 So there is a potential for us to 18:16:56 kind of clean out that area and remove the invasive species 18:16:59 And work with our 18:17:02 ecologically sustainable landscapes program 18:17:05 for a potential natural area in that space, which we think would be a really nice asset for the community. 18:17:13 Yeah, here again, we're showing the existing sidewalk and how that would connect to 82nd Avenue. 18:17:21 Then… 18:17:22 run through the different alternatives. We talked about the alternatives 18:17:28 the spur trail 18:17:33 And then… 18:17:35 I think this is the, yeah, that's the full design package we have so far 18:17:42 So I'm getting a time warning from Jenna, which is great because I'm about to wrap up. 18:17:48 And so now it's time for the question and answer portion of this. 18:17:53 webinar, which I'm going to pass back to Jenna and um 18:17:58 With your comments and questions. 18:18:00 I can go back to any slides that you want to refer to. 18:18:03 So just let me know which slide you want me to go back to and I'm happy to do that. 18:18:08 That's great, Johnny. I didn't want to interrupt you while you were talking and uh 18:18:14 I want to share that I'm seeing a few questions from one individual. And as we stated earlier, we'd like to address as many individual and their questions as possible. So if you could share with us which question you would like of yours to be prioritized, I can 18:18:30 get those answers. I'll just give you a second to let us know which it is. 18:18:36 I'm seeing that some attendees are 18:18:40 raising their hand and while we kind of wait for that cue to be 18:18:45 Navigating, I am going to say 18:18:51 Johnny, one of our questions is regarding the Red Trail. Let's pull up the overview of all the trails. 18:18:59 One of our questions is. 18:19:02 Why do you keep saying the red trail is the connection to McDaniel and the yellow trail is shorter, more direct route to McDaniel from areas around the Ellington? So I'm assuming that we mean areas 18:19:16 south of Tillamook. 18:19:18 And that connection 18:19:23 I don't think I understand that question. 18:19:28 I believe that the question is proposing that the yellow trail is the shorter route to McDaniel High School. 18:19:38 Oh, I see. I see. Okay. 18:19:39 Where? Yeah. 18:19:40 Well, yeah, that we are considering the red trail and the yellow trail as kind of the two primary connection trails. 18:19:48 It's just a way of kind of splitting up 18:19:51 the trails, I apologize that maybe the names aren't as appropriate as they should be, but we're considering the red trail to be the primary connection from the western part of the property 18:20:02 all the way through into the Eastern Party. 18:20:05 side of the property and the Northeast 72nd Drive would be the primary connection 18:20:10 from south to north. So yeah, that's the way that you walk to McDaniel high school 18:20:14 or folks you know walk to McDaniel High School, this is going to greatly 18:20:20 impact that in a positive way, we feel. 18:20:25 Right. And for folks who are not able to make it up the grade on 72nd Drive, the Tillamook 18:20:36 Right. 18:20:32 option provides a flat walking pathway, walking pathway, which might make it easier 18:20:38 Yeah, the… 18:20:39 folks to get there 18:20:40 Yeah, one of the biggest delineations in those two trails would be the red trail would be fully ADA compliant. So it would be flat, firm, usable all year round. 18:20:59 Mm-hmm. 18:20:52 And a paved surface, whereas the 72nd connector would not be fully ADA accessible. It would just be improved and widened and more stable than it currently is. 18:21:03 Right. And the red trail along Northeast Hillamook Street, specifically near the 78th and Thompson area, has been identified as a segment for the safe routes to school, one of their primary investment routes. And so putting a trail here is also aligned with the safe routes to school. 18:21:30 Okay. 18:21:31 All right, so moving forward, we have another question about the Red Trail, which is a question 18:21:40 Let me see. What fairways is the red trail traveling along? 18:21:47 of the fairway, this is fairway number one and it would be 18:21:51 in the open space that's to the south of fairway number one. 18:21:56 number one tee boxes here and number one green is here. 18:21:59 And then on the eastern side, it would 18:22:01 follow along fairway 10. Fairway 10 is 18:22:04 the tee box is here and then the fairway and then the green 18:22:08 And then the red trail is in the open space that's about 100 feet or so away from that fairway. 18:22:15 Okay, great. 18:22:17 All right. 18:22:20 And let's perhaps get some attendees to speak. We're going to come back to the questions that are in the chat as well, but I just want to, you know, let's break it up a little bit. So Yanette, if you could help us navigate to whom had their hand raised first. 18:22:36 And then… 18:22:35 Yeah, Richard is first. 18:22:38 Yeah. And so just a reminder, because we have a limited time, we are going to set a timer for one minute 18:22:45 When you're coming off mute, Richard, you'll have one minute to speak. And when the timer goes off, we're going to put the microphone back on mute. And we thank you for your patience with that. And then if you're mid-sentence, we apologize, but we do want to keep things fair and moving. And so we would encourage you to provide your input or wrapping up the question either in the 18:23:09 The chat box, you can email me directly or provide that input on the community survey that's going to be open. All right, Richard, so let's 18:23:17 Let's get you set up here. 18:23:21 Okay, go ahead. 18:23:21 So… 18:23:22 Can you hear me? 18:23:24 I can. Welcome. Thank you. 18:23:25 All right. Thank you. A lot of good work, Jonathan. Great presentation. First of all, I'm a lifelong Portlander and golfer, and I really support shared park space. 18:23:35 This is going to preserve all of our rights. 18:23:37 to have green space, which we badly need. 18:23:41 So I'm going to go to the first question, which is our concern is the Blue Trail. 18:23:46 Mm-hmm. 18:23:46 And that's the problem area. And I understand the cost to have the alternative one 18:23:53 built. Alternative two, unfortunately, the other one that comes up from thompson 18:23:59 that doesn't connect the blue trail to the top. 18:24:03 What I would recommend is that you use that natural cart path 18:24:09 I'm going to say the east side of the teeing area. And if you need to make room 18:24:15 For walkers, move the team area forward. You don't have to build a retaining wall. 18:24:19 You're going to have to raise the elevation 18:24:22 of that tee box so you have enough room for the tee box. It's a really wide tee box. 18:24:27 And actually, that's the safest route because then the walkers 18:24:31 will stay east of the plane 18:24:38 Richard, thank you so much. 18:24:41 That input is so helpful. That detailed input is exactly what we're looking for on the community needs survey in the open comment box. And you have much more time to elaborate. So thank you, Richard, for being here, for starting that conversation. I would really encourage you to either complete the community needs survey, but if you're not, or the community survey, and if you're not able to, please feel free to 18:25:05 email and reach out to Johnny or I to provide that perspective. That would be great. So I 18:25:13 Yannette, would you like to call and unmute our next person in line, please? 18:25:18 Right on, Katherine. 18:25:25 Catherine, welcome. You are unmuted, so please ask your question. 18:25:31 Okay. 18:25:35 I was curious about the red trail being inside the gate 18:25:42 And how are the fence 18:25:44 And how far it was going to be from the maple trees 18:25:48 that are existing and how much 18:25:52 exposure, the maple trees that have been there for a while are going to have from an asphalt surface. 18:26:02 I can hear. Okay. 18:26:04 Donna, you're muted. 18:26:05 Got it. 18:26:06 That's a great question, Catherine. Thank you for asking that. We have walked the site many times with our urban forestry. And in order to 18:26:16 receive a permit to build any of this. Our urban forestry has to sign off 18:26:20 on whatever we build. And so we have the trail is aligned 18:26:26 outside of that tree tree root protection zone 18:26:30 So they have a sort of a 18:26:32 a matrix or a way of calculating 18:26:35 with different types of trails, how far away from the tree's roots the trail needs to be. And so that's the reason there's sort of subtle jogs and twists and turns in the trail is so we can keep the trail out of those tree root protection zones. 18:26:50 And so we really are trying to stay as far away from the trees root zones 18:26:57 as we can while trying to stay as far away from the golf courses, fairways. We're trying to kind of balance that 18:27:04 But yes, we are taking in very heavily into consideration the protecting those trees, those existing trees, because we know they're a huge asset to the golf course and the park and the community. 18:27:17 Wonderful. Thank you. Oh. 18:27:22 All right, Mike, you're up next. 18:27:26 Hi, Mike, you are off mute and ready to roll. 18:27:31 Can you hear me? 18:27:33 Yes, we can. Welcome, Mike. 18:27:36 Howdy, I live right on the 16th fairway and I played this course for 30 years. 18:27:43 How are you going to protect people on one in 10 and 16 for errant golf balls? 18:27:52 That's a great question, Mike. 18:27:56 We do understand that people walking on golf courses poses some risks, but we also understand that golf courses all over the world and all over our state have trails on them. 18:28:07 As this golf course is a 18:28:09 public and public open space 18:28:12 You know, part of the trail project goals are to create that greater access to this open space. 18:28:18 And so we think that 18:28:21 putting the trails where we've proposed them currently 18:28:24 For the most part, keeps folks out of risk of golf balls. 18:28:28 But we also understand that there are some risks. So we're hoping to 18:28:32 minimize that risk as best we can through signage 18:28:36 Through landscape barriers. 18:28:38 Such as adding trees and shrubs in strategic areas. 18:28:42 But for the most part, just trying to keep the trail out of those primary areas where golf balls do land. 18:28:49 But we understand that it does pose some risk and we are considering that heavily in the design process. 18:29:02 Thank you. And Elizabeth. 18:29:03 Great, thank you. 18:29:04 Rob, next. 18:29:10 Oh, hello. Hi. 18:29:14 I just… 18:29:15 wanted to understand the different colors. I missed the first part of the meeting. So I… 18:29:20 Okay, I'll go back. 18:29:23 Oh, yes. 18:29:25 I'm just, yeah, trying to understand. Is there a question about whether 18:29:30 each of these different colors will happen at all or they will all be 18:29:36 just for different with different considerations. 18:29:39 Yeah, they're just broken up the way they are because they have different considerations and just as a way of delineating kind of what they do and how they function. So the red trail would be kind of the primary 18:29:52 access from west to east kind of moving through the southern portion of the 18:29:57 golf course and park and then the northern fluff trail 18:30:01 is the current existing green trail, which most folks refer to as the bluff restoration Trail. 18:30:07 And then the yellow trail is the current sidewalk and shoulders of Northeast 72nd Drive. 18:30:15 And then the back nine trail, the blue trail is a proposed trail 18:30:22 that would give folks new access to the back nine. But it's mostly just a way of naming the trail systems and breaking them down for us to be able to investigate the designs for those trails. 18:30:36 Great. And Johnny, I've heard some questions before around, are all of these trails happening? Are some of these trails not happening? 18:30:45 Here. Right now. 18:30:49 We do feel that the red trail, the yellow trail enhancements and the green trail enhancements can be fully funded as proposed. 18:30:57 And the back nine blue trail 18:31:02 they're more than likely is budget for in some considerations or in some alternatives. 18:31:08 But that's what we're going to be asking folks on the community upcoming community survey is. 18:31:13 to help us prioritize where to put that funding. 18:31:16 And to really understand 18:31:20 where folks would like us to prioritize our funding. And so in some cases, perhaps, you know. 18:31:28 The Blue Trail could have certain amenities or it could not have certain amenities 18:31:31 And that's just a part of the budget considerations, but we're really hoping to investigate that more on the next upcoming survey. 18:31:38 Which, you know, I know Jenna will talk about more after the question and answer portion of this. 18:31:45 Okay, so we're really going to be asking community on a broad scale to share 18:31:51 would we like to have the back nine course and which alternative would be the most preferred by community members? And then depending on that wide perspective from a broad range of community members. 18:32:04 will contribute to that final design on the back nine. 18:32:08 Blue Trail. 18:32:09 Exactly. 18:32:12 Is that fair? Okay, great. We do have a few questions in the chat that I'm trying to summarize into one. They're going to be talking more so about the off-road cycling segment. So if we want to pull up the existing nature bluff trail where it has the minimal off-road cycling segment. 18:32:34 Somebody is asking like what 18:32:37 What does that mean? 18:32:40 Sure. 18:32:40 what would be the point of having such a small off-road cycling segment 18:32:47 It's a good question. 18:32:49 We have heard from many folks in the community 18:32:51 that they do want us to investigate incorporating off-road cycling. And I think what people mean by off-road cycling is 18:33:02 away from paved roadways where cars, because most cyclists would like to just like walkers and joggers and other people who experience the trail system, cyclists 18:33:12 would prefer to be away from cars and separated from cars for safety considerations and for noise and just for a peaceful experience. 18:33:19 So we are investigating what locations 18:33:28 would be um 18:33:42 the best and safest locations for that type of cycling. I will say 18:33:43 as it's stated on the fact page. So you can go on the project website and I would encourage everyone to go on the project website and look at that fact page. It has a lot of the frequently asked questions and sort of we try to as best we can address those frequently asked questions. 18:33:48 But as far as off-road cycling. 18:33:49 We know folks already use this bluff trail as people cycle on it as well as walking and rolling. 18:33:54 And so we don't want to take that away from folks. And we are investigating 18:02:56 those goals. 18:34:00 Where would be the best locations or